An Apology to Steve

To Steve: I would like to sincerely apologize to you for hurting your feelings in regards to those two Moviedrome videos you uploaded. Though it was unintentional on my part, I truly feel sorry for any pain I may have caused you. Please do not delete your videos because I love watching any Moviedrome youtube video regardless of quality. When I used the word lousy to describe them, I assumed you felt the same. Nevertheless, your hard work in getting those videos together was far from it. In fact, you deserve high praise from me and everybody else for your hard work. You are also right in your implications that when that rare Moviedrome video is uploaded, it offsets any shortcomings. Please re-upload your videos because I do love watching them regardless of quality. I did not intend to use the word lousy in extreme terms (personally, I do not think any thing about it is lousy). Nevertheless, words can hurt and people can look at what I say in a different light. Please do not delete your two Moviedrome videos because I really do love them. I am glad that you enjoyed looking at my Moviedrome Monday blog entries, please continue to do so. If not, I will not hold it against you, but I do want to let you know that I am truly sorry for any hurt I may have caused you.

To My Readers: The above apology letter was in regards to the blog entry regarding the Moviedrome Monday double bill entry of Hell’s Angels on Wheels and Rumble Fish (read here). When I linked to the youtube videos of Alex Cox introducing both films, I used the word lousy to describe the audio and quality of it. The word lousy to describe both videos have since been removed by me, but I think it may have played a significant role in Steve’s (the uploader of the videos) deletion of them. At the time, I assumed that he probably felt the same way – in other words, I was with him in thinking better this than nothing. Sadly, Steve mistook it as a harsh criticism and I feel responsible for his removal of the videos. Personally, I could care less about the audio and quality of the videos and like him (and hopefully you dear readers), I love any Moviedrome video regardless of audio and quality. Steve’s efforts took a lot of hard work and I sold him short. Of course that was not intended, but he mistook it as such. Right now, Steve feels hurt and I partly need the help of all of you readers. First off, as with Steve, I owe all of you dear readers a huge sincere apology and second, I do not want to hurt my relationship with him or any of you. I do not know If this idea will work, but I want all of you readers to try and encourage Steve to re-upload his Moviedrome youtube videos by leaving this reply in my comment box below. The letters are in bold.

Steve, we truly appreciate all your hard work in uploading whatever Moviedrome videos you can put together on youtube. Please do not delete them, all of us could care less about audio and quality. Your hard work always pays off.

24 thoughts on “An Apology to Steve

  1. You did the right thing by apologising, John.
    Steve, you did your best. Please don’t be disheartened by what John wrote. He definitely didn’t mean it in the context of your work. Keep doing the good stuff!
    Best wishes, Pete.

  2. I accept. It’s totally fine and I’m cool with it now. Thanks for the kind words.

    I actually didn’t think they were at all lousy. I was totally fine with the audio and I was unhappy with the picture quality but I thought the content more than made up for it.

    I was looking forward to seeing my vids on your blog but I was taken aback at you being a bit disparaging towards them. I wasn’t expecting that. It came across as somewhat ungrateful and I got a bit miffed. I guess I felt a bit like Winston Wolf (“I’m here to help…”)

    I will re-upload the videos later this evening. They will be back on youtube. I want those intros there too. It’s their rightful place.

  3. Oh thank goodness πŸ™‚ I did not think it was lousy at all and truth be told, I think it was the wrong word to use. I think I only saw the word as being mild long ago after I showed a friend the alternate cut of Exorcist III entitled Legion when it hit Blu-Ray. I tried to explain to him that any grainy footage was due to the fact that they could not find the 35mm print of those scenes and he told me that while he deeply appreciated their efforts, it still looked lousy, but he did not mean it in a vicious way and he was under the impression that they felt that way too and I felt that while there was something off about that word in relation to it, I felt that maybe it was okay. Nevertheless, this incident taught me to never make an idiot of myself πŸ™‚ He may not have been into film preservation as much as I, so maybe that had something to do with it.

    And no, the audio and quality did not look lousy to any of us. As I said above, I used the wrong word, but whatever quality a video is is sometimes inevitable and it deserves a pass for that. All of us, including you, wishes we could all find a polished video, but sometimes we have to make due with what you/we have and I am more than happy to have that πŸ™‚

    I understand that you wanted your youtube links to be showed in a totally favorable light and I was, but again, I deeply apologize for how it came out. My recommendation to all blog owners in wake of this incident would be to appreciate what you could link to, because it is better than nothing at all. Speaking of Moviedrome, it has been said that Alex Cox’s intros to Point Blank and The Long Goodbye on an episode of BBC’s Film Club may have incited the network to hire him to host Moviedrome, but that is just speculation, so I can’t confirm that with 100 percent authenticity.

    I am so glad that you will re-upload those youtube videos because regardless of quality, I think they are perfect and the best one could find. You should feel proud of yourself Steve because you are playing (big or small) in helping to preserve something special, which in this case are Moviedrome intros πŸ™‚ Anyway, thanks for dropping by and I hope to see you again πŸ™‚

  4. Thanks Pete πŸ™‚ Steve has accepted my apology πŸ™‚ I am so glad that we were able to make peace πŸ™‚ I think it is important in the future for not only me, but other bloggers, to just accept the links whether it is perfect or not. I mean, while I did not mean lousy in a disparaging kind of way, I could see that my wording was not the best way to express it. Plus, I do not think the quality or audio is lousy at all, I just used the wrong word. Maybe I did not think before I published it due to the fact that in the past, I had been critical of some of my own posts in how I word them even though I do not say it in the actual post. Nevertheless, I am glad I was able to redeem myself while also encouraging Steve to re-upload his work πŸ™‚ Anyway, thanks for dropping by πŸ™‚

  5. I’m pleased you and Steve have sorted things out, as a fan of Moviedrome from its original run I really enjoy and appreciate the work you both do. Keep it up!

  6. I think Steve will be really happy to hear that Paul πŸ™‚ I appreciate your sentiments of our work as well πŸ™‚ Nevertheless, I just link to other areas and Steve is just one of many or a few youtubers, who deserve the praise for uploading the videos on youtube in the first place πŸ™‚ I also thank the site moviedromer.tumblr.com for the transcript information and original airdates. Nevertheless, along with you, Steve and other UK folk, I (a US citizen) love Moviedrome very much and I support all efforts to preserve the intros of the series πŸ™‚ Anyway, thanks for dropping by πŸ™‚

  7. They’re back.

    Rumble Fish:

    Hells Angels On Wheels

    I just refilmed the Hells Angels On Wheels intro. This one is more steady and less shaky than the previous upload. The Rumble Fish intro is the same one as before but this download looks better than the refilmed one I tried.

    I didn’t delete the vids solely because I was miffed. I actually thought I should refilm the intros so they could be improved. This is the best I could get out of the Rumble Fish intro though.

    The Google definition of lousy is ‘Very poor and bad’ so it’s obvious why I took it wrong but I’m glad this mix up is over with. This is a great blog and it’s great to see a blog devoted to Moviedrome. I’m a hardcore Moviedrome fan and it’s always good to talk to other Dromers. Watching and reviewing the Moviedrome films in order is cool. Just like the Moviedromer tumblr site did.

    This year has been a slow year for Moviedrome on youtube. As if this year wasn’t terrible anyway. Aside from the three intros I uploaded, only the intros to Carrie and What Ever Happened To Baby Jane have been uploaded. Very few. Hopefully more will be uploaded. The Baby Jane intro was on youtube a while ago and disappeared so it’s good that it’s back now.

    Once again, thanks for the kind words, John. If I may call you John.

  8. Steve, you did a great job on both of them and given everything you have, I do not think anybody could upload versions like this better than you could have πŸ™‚ What matters the most is that you are preserving what you could find and I and everyone else who comments here, could care less what quality it is in πŸ™‚

    Thank goodness you did not delete them either because these old intros are valuable and you worked hard to get them on youtube and we all deeply appreciate your efforts for it. To be honest, I do not think that I could have done it myself. Then again, it has been a long time since I was able to make a video on the computer.

    I too am glad that this misunderstanding is over with. Also, thank you for the kind words about my blog Steve πŸ™‚ Me and all of my blogger friends or visitors love having you aboard on here πŸ™‚ Despite being a U.S. citizen (I have lived in the US since I was born), I first became aware of Moviedrome back in 2010 after watching four of Alex Cox’s best films in my opinion (Repo Man, Sid & Nancy, Walker and Highway Patrolman) and I was interested in learning more about him. One day on youtube, I typed in Alex Cox’s name and coincidentally, his Moviedrome introduction to The Wicker Man was one of the top results (that intro was the very first episode) and since then, I had been watching as many of the intros (both Cox’s and Mark Cousins) as I could. It was not until 2019, that I started to dedicate every Monday’s blog entry to Moviedrome and visitors to this site (whether UK based or not) really love them. And yes, Moviedromer.tumblr.com served as an influence for me to cover these films and also Wolfmanscultfilmclub.wordpress.com. He did a blog entry back in 2017 on it. You are also right that it is certainly cool to keep track of these films – all of us Dromers need to stick together. You know given that I am the lone American commenting on Moviedrome, it makes me feel like Terry Gilliam, who was the lone American of the British Monty Python Troupe πŸ™‚

    You are also right that this has been a sucky year as far as everything is concerned – with Covid-19 setting things off and these police protests just makes me depressed. Your mention of Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? is perfect timing because that is the one I plan to cover in next week’s Moviedrome Monday entry – perfect timing πŸ™‚

    You are quite welcome regarding the kind words Steve and yes, you most certainly can call me John πŸ™‚

    I will also upload these videos right now to that post and I shall credit you for linking me to them πŸ™‚

    Steve, I have just re-uploaded those two links that you gave me and not only that, but I wanted to acknowledge your hard work because finding these videos are not easy and when you are lucky enough to find and upload them for many, it is like watching something really special πŸ™‚ Keep up the great work as always Steve πŸ™‚ Also, here is the link to that blog entry below πŸ™‚

    https://cinematiccoffee.com/2020/08/23/moviedrome-mondays-hells-angels-on-wheels-1967-and-rumble-fish-1983/

  9. Thanks again. Glad to share the intros I have.
    It may interest you to know that Alex Cox has a podcast now with a guy by the name of Pablo Kjolseth. It’s here:
    http://www.internationalfilmseries.com/podcast.php

    It’s one episode per week. It’s great so far and they talked about Moviedrome in the early episodes which was great to hear.

    Alex’s website:
    alexcoxfilms.wordpress.com

  10. I did know about Alex Cox’s website, which I love, but I had no idea that he does a podcast as well πŸ™‚ Awesome, thank you for bringing this to my attention Steve πŸ™‚ I did research on the name Pablo Kjolseth and I do know that he was in Alex Cox’s student film version of Bill the Galactic Hero when Cox taught film at the University of Colorado Boulder. In fact, I think Pablo teaches there based on a page I just found. I will check out the podcasts where Cox reminisces about Moviedrome πŸ™‚ Once again, it is always great to have you on board here Steve πŸ™‚

  11. Anyone who knows you John,knows you never meant any personal slight towards Steve. There are a lot of lousy uploads but those are because various reasons cause film to age and warp over time. Or the person got a copy of a copy. Commenting on the quality of a dated film/TV show is to be expected.

  12. Thanks πŸ™‚ I am happy that we both made peace and that I got to re-upload his two videos on that last Moviedrome Monday post πŸ™‚ As you know, it was never my intent to insult him or the videos – I just used the wrong word to describe it. Nevertheless, I do not think the quality or audio was lousy at all – I just used the wrong word. What matters is the most is that he was able to upload these videos in any condition because in the end, it is content that matters for something so timeless as Moviedrome. Anyway, thanks for dropping by πŸ™‚

  13. I have been misunderstood MANY times on the net. The written word often does not carry the inflection or meaning that you intended. I’ve made comments on YouTube for instance that were intended as a joke. Yet people thought they were serious statements. You have to be careful.

  14. We sure do jcalberta πŸ™‚ I also would never want to alienate any of my readers or the person, who felt by a comment that was not intended to be hurtful. I am so glad that in the end, me and Steve made peace and he enjoys this website a lot given that I have heard of Moviedrome as well (despite the fact that that series is a UK product that never reached the States). I am also happy to have a huge fan of westerns on this site like you πŸ™‚ Anyway, thanks for dropping by πŸ™‚

  15. I just uploaded another version of the Rumble Fish intro which you might consider to be slightly better quality. It’s less shaky and more steady than the previous upload.
    If you think it’s better you could perhaps post it on the Rumble Fish page of this blog.

  16. Thank you Steve, but the one you uploaded back on Monday is perfect πŸ™‚ Tell you what though, how about I post this version as well to see which version my blog visitors prefer, but I am pretty sure they will love both like myself πŸ™‚ The one I am doing tomorrow is Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? since that intro came next πŸ™‚ I can’t wait to get to the 1993 season because then I could post the link to your youtube video of Alex Cox’s introduction to the 78 version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers πŸ™‚ I also wanted to let you know that me and every visitor to my blog loves having you on board here πŸ™‚

    Update: I just posted your second version of the Rumble Fish intro πŸ™‚

    https://cinematiccoffee.com/2020/08/23/moviedrome-mondays-hells-angels-on-wheels-1967-and-rumble-fish-1983/

  17. Thanks for saying so. I also love Alex’s intro to the 78 Body Snatchers.
    Brilliant intro and it’s a great film too. I play Alex’s intros before watching a lot of Moviedrome intros. Some of my other faves are his intros to Salvador, Talk Radio, Alfredo Garcia, Race With The Devil.
    I’m really hoping more of his intros can be uploaded to youtube.
    Alex is just a legend and I’m a huge fan. He’s at the location of his own Repo Man in the Rumble Fish intro. To Live and Die In LA also used that location brilliantly.

  18. Typo above. I meant to say “I play Alex’s intros before watching a lot of Moviedrome films”

  19. In fact, I had to watch your upload of Alex Cox’s intro to the 78 version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers right away because it was either taken down or deleted last decade (I think the middle part of the decade) and I was wondering If I would ever get to watch it again and lo and behold, you took the bull by the horns and was able to find it πŸ™‚ Love hearing in that intro how he mentions William Friedkin’s Sorcerer as being a “great film based on a great film” – in reference to the 1953 French classic Wages of Fear πŸ™‚ Remember that last part of the intro, where Cox references (in a tongue-in-cheek way) the shocking climax of the 78 version? πŸ™‚ I love that πŸ™‚

    I am also aware of the last four that rank as your favorites and what is really interesting about those four you mention is that, they aired on the last season of Moviedrome while Alex Cox served as the host. The network rebooted it in 1997 with Mark Cousins taking over. I too also hope that more of these can be uploaded on youtube in whatever way possible πŸ™‚

    I too am a fan of Alex Cox and in case, you are interested, here is a link to my list of my favorite Alex Cox films below

    https://cinematiccoffee.com/2018/03/26/my-favorite-alex-cox-films-2/

    I also knew that Friedkin used that same location for To Live and Die in L.A. and it just goes to show how iconic it is πŸ™‚ Once again, it is great to have you on here Steve πŸ™‚

  20. My other faves of the intros currently on youtube are Django, The Terminator, the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Mad Max II – The Road Warrior, Something Wild, Alligator, Carrie, Le Mepris, Girl On A Motorcycle, The Baby, Detour, Rope.
    I watch the intros before watching all those films.

    I agreed with Alex more than I disagreed with him but one intro where I really disagreed with him was Manhunter.

  21. Those are great ones too Steve πŸ™‚ I think that is neat to watch the intros before watching the actual film – I think the next time I watch any of those titles (unless Cox is already talking about it on one of the DVD features), I should watch his Moviedrome intro to that particular film If I can find it online πŸ™‚

    I too disagreed with Cox on Manhunter, In fact, I gave an extended reason why when I covered that one – Here is the link below to that, although you probably read it already πŸ™‚

    https://cinematiccoffee.com/2020/08/16/moviedrome-mondays-manhunter-1986/

    Also, I just posted (though you are probably aware of this one by now too) this week’s Moviedrome Monday entry for Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?. Here is the link below πŸ™‚ And it is great to have you on board here πŸ™‚

    https://cinematiccoffee.com/2020/08/30/moviedrome-mondays-what-ever-happened-to-baby-jane-1962/

  22. John, it might interest you to know that a guy on youtube set up a channel where he is doing his own Moviedrome intros. He’s done one intro so far. It’s for To Live and Die In LA and I think it’s a great intro. This could be a channel to keep an eye on.

    Link:

  23. Steve great to have you back πŸ™‚ Thank you for the link – I can see that he relishes Moviedrome every bit as me and you do πŸ™‚ I must say after hearing that wonderful fake intro to To Live and Die in L.A., I would so love to see how he would introduce The French Connection, The Exorcist, Sorcerer and Cruising (all Friedkin films) πŸ™‚ Brilliant stuff πŸ™‚ I also love that fake opening for his take on Moviedrome – I just love the retro stuff in there πŸ™‚ I shall keep up with not only your channel, but his as well πŸ™‚

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